> There appears to be a problem in gmail's queues somewhere. I run my
> own mailinglist server at lists.jejik.com for the gnome-hearts game
> and a few other open source projects. One member
> ([e-mail cím]) posted a message to my mailinglist, but my
> mailinglist server is receiving the message over and over again from
> google. I get about one copy ever two hours. Reading over the mail
> headers, it appears that the problem lies somewhere in Google, not in
> my mailinglist server.

> Below you will find three sets of mail headers. The first is the
> original message. I posted the full headers for this message. The two
> other header sets are from the last two messages I received. Fot these
> I only posted the "received" lines. I received about two dozen more in
> between these.

> Internally in Google, it seems that mail is received by mx.google.com
> who forwards it to 10.100.136.15 by SMTP. That server then relays it
> to an-out-0708.google.com also through SMTP. The SMTP ID from the
> relay from mx.google.com to 10.100.136.15 is always the same, but the
> SMTP ID between 10.100.136.15 to an-out-0708.google.com always
> changes. So it looks like that the message is stuck at 10.100.136.15
> and that server continually resends it to an-out-0708.google.com.

> I have checked the mailserver logs at my own mailserver and tose too
> say that the problem isn't with me (It's a Debian Etch box running
> Exim4, GNU mailman and SpamAssassin).

> Can someone at Google please look at this?

> Kind regards,

> --
> Sander Marechal

> ===
> Original message
> ===
> From - Wed May 28 00:05:43 2008
> X-Account-Key: account2
> X-UIDL: 1211922622.25242.aurora,S=9640
> X-Mozilla-Status: 1011
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
> Return-Path: <[e-mail cím]>
> Delivered-To: [e-mail cím]
> Received: (qmail 25236 invoked from network); 27 May 2008 23:10:14
> +0200
> Received: from jejik.xs4all.nl (HELO netserver.lan) (82.95.221.33)
>   by mail.zipzap.nl with SMTP; 27 May 2008 23:10:14 +0200
> Received-SPF: none (mail.zipzap.nl: domain at lists.jejik.com does not
> designate permitted sender hosts)
> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=netserver.lan ident=list)
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>)
>         id 1K16Qv-0005jB-Eg; Tue, 27 May 2008 23:10:13 +0200
> Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245])
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>) id 1K16N0-0005is-Ix
>         for [e-mail cím]; Tue, 27 May 2008 23:10:10 +0200
> Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so594949ana.95
>         for <[e-mail cím]>; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.100.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr1173524and.
> 59.1211890001661;
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ?192.168.1.210? ( [71.178.188.222])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c37sm14190775ana.
> 11.2008.05.27.05.06.39
>         (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5);
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:39 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <[e-mail cím]>
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:08:21 -0400
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: [e-mail cím]
> References: <[e-mail cím]> <[e-mail cím]>
> In-Reply-To: <[e-mail cím]>
> From: sven <[e-mail cím]>
> Subject: Re: [Hearts] bugfixes, new options, AI improvements:
> X-BeenThere: [e-mail cím]
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: User and developer discussion for gnome-hearts
>         <hearts.lists.jejik.com>
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.jejik.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
> hearts>,
>         <mailto:[e-mail cím]?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://lists.jejik.com/pipermail/hearts>
> List-Post: <mailto:[e-mail cím]>
> List-Help: <mailto:[e-mail cím]?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.jejik.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
> hearts>,
>         <mailto:[e-mail cím]?subject=subscribe>
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1749376174=="
> Mime-version: 1.0
> Sender: [e-mail cím]
> Errors-To: [e-mail cím]
> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1
> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [e-mail cím]
> X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on netserver.lan); SAEximRunCond expanded to
> false
> X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent
> X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 27 23:10:22 2008
> X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9899
> X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000
> X-DSPAM-Signature: 483c78be252411655010704

> ===
> Second to last message
> ===
> Delivered-To: [e-mail cím]
> Received: (qmail 29892 invoked from network); 28 May 2008 16:46:48
> +0200
> Received: from jejik.xs4all.nl (HELO netserver.lan) (82.95.221.33)
>   by mail.zipzap.nl with SMTP; 28 May 2008 16:46:48 +0200
> Received-SPF: none (mail.zipzap.nl: domain at lists.jejik.com does not
> designate permitted sender hosts)
> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=netserver.lan ident=list)
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>)
>         id 1K1MvP-0005Wb-Aw; Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:47 +0200
> Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231])
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>) id 1K1MrT-0005WV-H9
>         for [e-mail cím]; Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:43 +0200
> Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so1791183wra.0
>         for <[e-mail cím]>; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.100.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr1173524and.
> 59.1211890001661;
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ?192.168.1.210? ( [71.178.188.222])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c37sm14190775ana.
> 11.2008.05.27.05.06.39
>         (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5);
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:39 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <[e-mail cím]>

> ===
> Last message
> ===
> Delivered-To: [e-mail cím]
> Received: (qmail 16692 invoked from network); 28 May 2008 19:57:09
> +0200
> Received: from jejik.xs4all.nl (HELO netserver.lan) (82.95.221.33)
>   by mail.zipzap.nl with SMTP; 28 May 2008 19:57:09 +0200
> Received-SPF: none (mail.zipzap.nl: domain at lists.jejik.com does not
> designate permitted sender hosts)
> Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=netserver.lan ident=list)
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>)
>         id 1K1Ptc-00014W-Gb; Wed, 28 May 2008 19:57:08 +0200
> Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248])
>         by netserver.lan with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
>         (envelope-from <[e-mail cím]>) id 1K1PtU-00014Q-IN
>         for [e-mail cím]; Wed, 28 May 2008 19:57:05 +0200
> Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so692421ana.95
>         for <[e-mail cím]>; Wed, 28 May 2008 10:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.100.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr1173524and.
> 59.1211890001661;
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ?192.168.1.210? ( [71.178.188.222])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c37sm14190775ana.
> 11.2008.05.27.05.06.39
>         (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5);
>         Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:39 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <[e-mail cím]>

> > This problem was discussed here:http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Past-discussions/browse_thread/t...
> > please read that thread for details.

> That appears to describe a different problem. The solution in the
> thread you linked to talks about POP access to GMail accounts. I'm not
> POPping. I don't even have a gmail account. I run a mailinglist
> server. I'm the recipient here, not the gmail sender. The problem of
> the original poster appears similar to mine, but it's not answered.

> The problem is that Google delivers the message to my own mailserver
> on lists.jejik.com over and over again. And everytime mailman receives
> it and posts it to the mailinglist. So all my subscribers get hit with
> this message over and over again.

> > I've found this other thread, I hope it helps

> No solution is offered in that thread so it wasn't very helpful.

> That said, reading over the first thread you linked, they were talking
> about timeout settings. I lowered the maximum amount of time that
> SpamAssassin is allowed to run from 240 seconds to 220 seconds and now
> the message isn't repeated anymore. My guess is that Google's SMTP
> server only waits about four minutes for confirmation of delivery. If
> it doesn't get it within that time, it breaks the connection and
> assumes the delivery failed.

> Four minutes is really a very, very short time to wait for
> confirmation of delivery. With all the spam filtering, virus scanning,
> sender authentication and other processes involved in e-mail these
> days, you need *fast* mailserver and network connection to maintain
> response times below 4 minutes. My mailserver is a Dual PII 333 Mhz
> with 384 Mb of RAM. Not a great machine but it should be fast enough
> to handle a couple of dozen messages per day. Apparently not...